Has something died in here?

topic posted Tue, January 20, 2004 - 6:12 AM by  victor ibo v...
I don't think it's necessary to defend why a forum about new england is worthwhile. In that case, none of us would be here.

So to put it simply, why is nothing happening? And why if does, is it only the same few people?

Let's get this party going.
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victor ibo vinderloo
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    Re: Has something died in here?

    Tue, January 20, 2004 - 9:06 AM
    the new england love is currently running high, with the patriots off to the superbowl.
    reports on the news this past weekend included quotes"
    "i love new england"
    "i wouldn't want to live anywhere else."

    and something like football causes people to feel this way.
    if this were to happen in baseball, it might cause new england love overflow and it might be the *perfect moment* to begin the campaign for succession.
    thoughts?
    belle
  • Canadia

    Tue, January 20, 2004 - 1:24 PM
    can't we just secede and join canadia?
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      Re: Canadia

      Wed, January 21, 2004 - 8:46 AM
      but will canada have us?
      and to secede...what physical steps must be taken?
      planning, planning...thinking, musing, dreaming..

      in time...

      but action needs to occur.
      comrades, what is our first step?

      belle
      • How to secede

        Sat, January 24, 2004 - 1:50 AM
        First we need to draw up a plan of WHO will secede & WHY Canadia would even want us.

        That second one is a doozy.

        - aNNa
        • Re: How to secede

          Sun, January 25, 2004 - 8:00 AM
          We can trick Canada into taking us. Tricksy hobbitses we are.

          Plus I'm sure they would take us if we promised no guns.
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      Re: Canadia

      Sun, January 25, 2004 - 10:19 AM
      Do you really want to enter into full-blown socialism?

      Sorry, that's not my idea of "free".
      • Full-Blown Canadianism

        Mon, January 26, 2004 - 8:10 PM
        Yes, I much prefer full-blown CANADIAN socialism to the ORWELLIAN version we're currently establishing here in the States.

        Here in the demilitarised zone known as SoCal, the cover story of the 14 January edition of the newspaper FAHRENHEIT is entitled, "Mind Your Ps & Qs: The Navy's Spy Blimp is Watching You". The article is about the blimp that has been floating over our lovely seaside town: it turns out that it is a spy blimp outfitted by Science & Technology Industries of Hawai'i (STI) for the Office of Naval Research (ONR), "and voilĂ , a fully-outfitted spy blimp is born."

        The author of the piece continues to say, "The blimp's gondola section [...] is filled with STI's Littoral Airborne Sensor - Hyperspectral (L.A.S.H.). Without getting too technical, L.A.S.H. is basically a camera system on steroids. Able to see far more detail than the human eye, it has the ability to detect underwater vessels & camouflaged land objects."

        This blimp was tested over San Diego for four months. However, this is more than just a little toy first field-tested for use in, say, foreign warzones. And I quote:

        "Accoding to Steve Huett, Manager for the Airship Advanced Development Office of NAVAIR (NAvail Air Systems Command), it would be a really swell idea if, over every major city in the nation, we had two or three (depending on the size of the city) of these floating microscopes cruising overhead, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That may sound unlikely, but systems similar to this are already in place in other cities."

        The ACLU has this to say about these all-encompassing surveillance systems in their January 2003 report on the "surveillance society":

        "Further possibilites for the expansion of video surveillance lie with unmanned aircraft, or drones which have been used by the military and the CIA overseas for reconnaissance, surveillance, and targeting. [snip] Now there is talk of deploying them domestically. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner said in December 2002 that he wants to explore their use in Homeland Security, and a number of domestic government agencies have expressed interest in deploying them."

        So. Let me ask. Which kind of full-blown socialism do you prefer? I might not *really* think we should secede to Canadia because it's incredibly unlikely. However, am I wrong to be nervous? I don't think so...
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          Re: Full-Blown Canadianism

          Thu, February 5, 2004 - 10:46 AM
          Not to oversimplify your argument (I just don't have the time to respond as verbosely as I might prefer) -- it seems to be like trading one birdcage for another.

          I think we instead need to focus on what we mean by "free" in this tribe.
          • Re: Full-Blown Canadianism

            Fri, February 4, 2005 - 7:46 AM
            There seems to be different forms of socialism. I don't claim to fully know the difference, but some countries who are socialist seem to be friendlier towards a lot of society's needs. But don't they have universal health care in Canada? I know they have more adequate affordable housing for the poor. Here in the US we are the richest country in the world and yet we cannot (or will not) provide adequate services to our sick and homeless. In fact a lot of people become sick or injured, and then lose their jobs and homes, and become homeless. In Pawtucket about a year ago a homeless woman froze to death, because the city only has one small shelter and a large concentration of homeless. Here in the US you have more freedom if you can afford it. When I watched the State of the Union Address the other night I saw a lot lot of smug, well-fed, toasty warm rich people who had a lot to celebrate.

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